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I think this is a good idea! If you need it to do what you need more easily, let's get it in. I believe its good to at least have the subscribe on the Variables, and having a subscribe for all variables of a Solver would be a bonus. But if this works for you, let's get this in first, and if you need the Solver subscription, we can add that subsequently.
It seems that we should probably have a list of callbacks, in case multiple processes want to subscribe. Then
subscribe
would return anunsubscribe
function that removes the callback from the list.Another thing is synchronous data notifications can cause performance issues and impartial state errors (f.e. derived values could be incorrect at mid-calculation and we would not want to observe those values mid-way, and reactions may also happen too many times if a variable needs to be updated multiple times to complete a calculation). A simple way we can mitigate these issues is to make reactivity deferred, typically with a microtask, f.e. with
queueMicrotask
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Can you explain what you mean a little more by "all variables of a Solver"?
I'm happy to make this change.
Any objections to not using microtasks but instead flushing the queue at the end of the call to
Solver.updateVariables
? That seems like it would solve the perf and impartial state errors disappear. And it still keeps things synchronous.Another alternative is to provide a
flushSubscriptionQueue
method to the solver so that users have control over when subscriptions will run. That way, if they want to queue a microtask, or perform multiple updates without the subscriptions running, they can do that:of
I've recently been dealing with some of the ramifications of not having control over when reactive systems update and it seems like it would be easy enough to head off. Thoughts on this approach?
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I was simply referring to your second idea of subscribing "en masse to
Solver
and get a list of changed variables". I think I lean more towards deriving state on a per value basis, but maybe someone could also want to react to all vars in a single callback for differing patterns.I find that microtasks are ideal most of the time, and in those systems I just embrace it. For example, web's
ResizeObserver
fires on animation frames, andMutationObserver
fires on microtasks, both of them naturally avoiding too much work.Out of curiosity, what issue would you want to avoid with synchronous updates?
What if the subscription can choose? For example, it could default to microtasks for avoiding too much worm by default, but an option could make it happen on solver updates:
I think it would be great if we were working with signals and effects, but that would be a bit of a change to the existing implementation:
With the subscription pattern on
Solver
, it would get easier to write single functions that react to multiple variables like with thatcreateEffect
example, whereas subscribing to multiple variables individually to log them at the same time becomes more verbose, and also more reactive-glitch-prone (even on microtasks because of the iterative execution of each subscription). Effects basically give us the best of both, without glitches (on microtasks).There was a problem hiding this comment.
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Also, if this helps you get moving as is, happy to just merge it like this, and we can update the implementation a little later while this one is marked experimental.
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Microtask updates are generally pretty great if what needs to react is just the render/ui. But if you have business logic that needs to update, I find it much simpler to know when that is going to happen/be completed. My current project makes heavy use of that.
This seems more likely to create reactive glitches to me.
This is true. I think a subscription on the solver would make for a nice solution. Or maybe just passing a flag to
updateVariables
to return an array of the changed variables. Though that approach is also somewhat problematic for other reasons, not least of which is that Autolayout makes its own calls toupdateVariables
withinSubView
with no simple way to get those values back to the user. So that option is probably off the table. Whatever is done needs to make things easier for Autolayout, I should think, since that will be a principle use-case of Kiwi.To my mind, we are talking about 3 problems that are related but not the same thing:
createEffect
gets us 1 and 2.The discussed approach to
queueMicrotask
gets us 2.The current implementation of this PR gets us really none of the above automatically but all them can be built atop it at a performance cost. I think you're right that it's too costly.
solver.flushSubscriptionQueue
in conjunction with individual subscriptions to variables gets us 2 and 3 and a peculiar version of 1, in that it batches across ALL updated variables but doesn't have the specificity ofcreateEffect
and the subscriptions are called separately.I think there's a solution in the direction of a some kind of
flush
orbatch
primitives that get us 1, 2, and 3. I'll have another think on it.Another thing to consider is that if we rely on
queueMicrotask
for 2, how will that affect porting to assemblyscript?I appreciate it. I am not currently in a big rush. But I'll let you know if anything changes in the next few days.
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Thinking about this a little more, I've noticed 2 things:
createEffect
(at least the kind with auto-tracking) runs on top of other observables. So we would still need individual subscriptions of some kind on each variable. (Unless we decided not to use auto-tracking and simply passed in a list of variables as a dependency list). If we want auto-trackingcreateEffect
, maybe it is best to just make the variables easily consumable as signals by Solidjs and the rest of the gang.I've also realized that I have been making some false assumptions about the algorithm. I had made the mistake of thinking that
updateVariables
was where the work of the algorithm is happening. But it isn't. It's just updating the variables by taking the values from the rows. The real work (the simplex solver?) is happening eagerly in_optimize
and_dualOptimize
every time a variable or constraint is added or removed, or when a value is suggested for a variable. I think the api is a little misleading in that regard. The user needs to callupdateVariables
before reading from the variables, but all it does is take the answers it calculated duringaddConstraint
and pass them over to theVariable
interface where the user can then look for them. So it's running the potentially expensive calculations (usually polynomial but exponential in the worst case?) during everyaddConstraint
but it's bothering to batch the update to the variables until it's called for, even though that process has linear time complexity. Maybe the linearupdateVariables
dominates the incremental simplex solver in practice. But it does look to me like there shouldn't be any thrashing on the variables in practice, asupdateVariables
sets each variable exactly once. That seems to suggest that we don't really need to batch variable updates over time. Thoughts?