Remove nius.de - fails journalistic quality standards #276
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Removing nius.de from the feed list due to documented concerns about journalistic integrity: - Political scientists and media researchers classify the outlet as deliberately using "manipulative methods of disinformation" and "post-factual presentation methods" (Linden, 2024) - Facts are reportedly bent or omitted to fit a political agenda rather than pursuing truthful reporting (Rainer/Der Spiegel, 2024) - The outlet is under investigation by Berlin-Brandenburg Media Authority for violations of journalistic standards Sources: - taz: https://taz.de/Rechtes-Medienportal-Nius/!5945019/ - BR24: https://www.br.de/nachrichten/netzwelt/warum-gibt-es-kritik-am-nachrichtenportal-nius,U4aJ8yf - Deutschlandfunk: https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/medienaufsicht-prueft-offenbar-neues-portal-von-ex-bild-chef-julian-reichelt-100.html - Tagesspiegel: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/portal-von-reichelt-und-gotthardt-was-ist-nius--und-was-wird-den-machern-vorgeworfen-14208194.html - Media Diversity Institute: https://www.media-diversity.org/nius-fox-news-in-german/
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Pull Request Overview
This PR removes the nius.de RSS feed from the feed list due to concerns about journalistic integrity and quality standards. The outlet has been criticized by political scientists and media researchers for using manipulative disinformation methods and is reportedly under investigation by the Berlin-Brandenburg Media Authority.
Key Changes
- Removal of nius.de RSS feed from the JSON feed configuration
- Action taken based on documented concerns about journalistic standards and practices
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You cannot remove Nius. Nius is the counterpart to taz. If you remove Nius, you must also remove taz. All source above are left leaning. All of your websites in Germany are left-wing, and there is not a single site that reflects conservative views. Nius is the only one. Berlin-Brandenburg Media Authority is controlled by SPD (left) and the green (left). |
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Yes, taz is left-leaning. That's why we have FAZ on the list, for example, which balances this out. |
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Okay, I will repeat it one more time: right wing isn't the issue, disinformation is. |
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Table: News Sources by Political Orientation
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Did you even read my comment? Whatever, last post. It's all said. |
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You called disinformation because it is right-wing. That's why. The only sources that say it is disinformation are left-wing sources. |
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there is a difference between right-wing and extremist propaganda/fake news. Nius is the latter and does not belong in any news aggregation service. Here is another recent example of Nuis misrepresenting facts by another fact-checking website |
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NIUS should be removed from any aggregator without discussion as its mostly a fake news outlet (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nius) |
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@ThaSiouL Your source is left-wing. |
As we already said, its not about right or left wing, its about desinformation and the lack of quality standards in journalism |
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As already mentioned, the definition of fake news or misinformation is being criticized by the left-wing website. The sources you cite are not neutral. Therefore, the criticism is also not neutral. |
So, according to your logic, only a non-left website can define fake news or misinformation? :D |
You can filter it out in your feed if you prefer to have news only from one side. |
The ÖRR sources have been caught multiple times manipulating graphs and spreading disinformation’s, and i dont mean "opinions" but literally manipulating graphs where the total would not equate to 100%, should those also be excluded? |
If you compare nius to the ÖRR, we wont find common ground. But it would be nice from someone of the Kagi team to merge this PR or close it, I think the discussions are meaningless and lead to nothing |
I have not compared them to each other but only your statement that one side has false information and the other does not. Merge PR = Censorship in favour of your view. If you think you have to police other peoples opinions, then you are the problem. |
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Opinions and facts still are different things. If it rains outside, we might have different views if it's a besutiful day or not. But it will still rain. And censorship is when the government does not allow me to say that it is raining. Anyway, care to tell us how to filter a single news source in the app? |
You are moving the goalposts, if you try to say the ÖRR and Nius are comparable in meeting journalistic quality standards. IF that is your opinion, we wont find a solution :D |
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Our system is pretty good at dealing with outliers. If you want us to fix something, please point to a concrete news article and concrete issue with it that can be factually verified. Local politics is hard even for local citizens, let alone for Kagi employees. Thanks for understanding. |
should we post it here or is there another way of contacting you concerning that? |
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I want to be honest: If I see known fake news spreader Nius being used as a source, I don't know which information Kagi took from there, so I'd have to check every single fact in that article. I wanted to use Kagi News to save me time, not create additional work. So I guess the easiest solution for me is to just go ahead and uninstall the app, as announced above. Thanks for your response, Vlad. |
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To reopen this can of worms: You say your system is pretty good at dealing with outliers. May I ask how this works exactly? What system is in place that ensures I am not forced to consume false information from sources that fail journalistic quality standards such as nius.de? Why is such a source included in the first place, if the system filters the information therein anyway? |
Hey, I can chime in: a) Our LLM has built-in knowledge about source characteristics, including nius.de's editorial stance and reputation |
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Thank you for the thorough response, Giorgio. |
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Even though this is closed it's quite baffling to me that Kagi allows nius.de as a source though their requirements for news sources clearly state that sources must have "high quality content". "nius.de" is clearly not that and is only kept for the sake of balance. It's like adding potato chips into a salad to add some carbohydrates to balance the meal. One more on this one:
Again false balance. Nius might be controversial, but they are not up to standard. It's like denying global warming because your home thermostat didn't record the hottest summer ever. It's true that your own measurement didn't show global warming this summer but that does't make your statement true. You just didn't measure with the same scientific standard (in this case journalistic standard) as everyone else. Nius is just like that but they only scream very loudly which doesn't make it any more true or journalistic. So Kagi...do you care about journalistic news or loud opinions framed as news? |
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Removing nius.de from the feed list due to documented concerns about journalistic integrity:
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