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visibility of bicycle=yes at pedestrian zones #6016
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Makes sense to me |
What should be shown when one clicks on it, though? For the bicycle boulevard, instead of the normal UI, we have some sign and an "other answer" option to say that it isn't a bicycle boulevard, after all. |
Is there a reason why a highway=pedestrian way is not shown at the moment? How it could be implemented (focus on ways only (not area) because of its importance for routing):
One more thought: |
Yes, it could be colored like a footway. But the coloring is just one thing. The other thing is what UI to display when one clicks on a pedestrian road. |
Hm, so there are some pedestrian zones which do also have cycle tracks. I looked at some via overpass, and most are of the following types:
So, since it isn't impossible for a pedestrian zone to have a cycle track, showing a big pedestrian sign icon in place of the normal street side UI would be problematic for those cases. |
Hm, also quite a few roads that are tagged as pedestrian zones exist that are legally non-segregated foot+bicycleways. E.g. the entire Weserpromenade in Bremen So there would need to be three options: nothing signed, signed that yes, and designated (but not segregated, because that would be tagged with |
The Weserpromenade is a good example that tagging of pedestrian zones is not clearly defined (when area/way). There is (partly) a pedestrian zone and a foot/cycleway through it. In that case I would create an area for the zone and a separately tagged way for the normal foot&cycleway. My idea was not to implement options for every possible case in SC to keep the app simple to use. Your examples show a lot of possible combinations, but I see a danger in different users frequently switching tags between for example "pedestrian"/"footway". Especially if pedestrian areas are not visible and tagging is not clearly defined. That's why I suggested only the two options pedestrian with or without bicycle=yes, which is a common combination of the pedestrian zone sign. Until now it was ok for me to add pedestrian zones outside of SC. That could still be the case for any more complex problems. The only thing that was irritating was the invisible way with bicycle=ok, because it looked like a gap when following a bicycle route. So another suggestion is to make the way (highway=pedestrian) visible (it is clickable already) without changing anything else. If wanted, new issues could be about:
SC is perfect for features that can be tagged clearly. If not, I would not force to add additional options for them to the app. |
My current plan is this (have been working on it last night, not committed yet):
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Wow, that sounds good. Especially the way you found to keep the normal UI. :) |
See #6020 |
Use case
There is a pedestrian zone with allowed bicycle access (bicycle=yes, bicycle:signed=yes). In cycling mode of StreetComplete this way is not shown.
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/59038921)
Proposed Solution
Show pedestrian zone (highway=pedestrian, but also if tagged as area) in the same color like footways with bicycle=yes bicycle:signed=yes.
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