diff --git a/DESCRIPTION b/DESCRIPTION
index 585ceab..28cf8c4 100644
--- a/DESCRIPTION
+++ b/DESCRIPTION
@@ -33,6 +33,7 @@ Imports:
     rgl,
     bit64,
     httr,
+    httr2,
     jsonlite,
     pbapply,
     dplyr,
diff --git a/NAMESPACE b/NAMESPACE
index cf3554e..3d6ecf8 100644
--- a/NAMESPACE
+++ b/NAMESPACE
@@ -76,6 +76,7 @@ export(banc_xyz2id)
 export(bancsee)
 export(banctable_append_rows)
 export(banctable_login)
+export(banctable_move_to_bigdata)
 export(banctable_query)
 export(banctable_set_token)
 export(banctable_update_rows)
diff --git a/R/banc-table.R b/R/banc-table.R
index a2f3177..4555cc9 100644
--- a/R/banc-table.R
+++ b/R/banc-table.R
@@ -41,6 +41,9 @@
 #' @param append_allowed Logical. Whether rows without row identifiers can be appended.
 #' @param chunksize To split large requests into smaller ones with max this many rows.
 #' @param token_name The name of the token in your .Renviron file, should be \code{BANCTABLE_TOKEN}.
+#' @param where Optional SQL-like where clause to filter rows (default: NULL moves all rows)
+#' @param bigdata logical, if `TRUE` new rows are added to the bigdata archive rather than the 'normal' seatable.
+#' @param invert whether to send the specified rows (`where`) to big data storage (`FALSE`) or from storage to the 'normal' table (`FALSE`.)
 #' @param ... Additional arguments passed to pbsapply which might include cl=2 to specify a number of parallel jobs to run.
 #'
 #' @return a \code{data.frame} of results. There should be 0 rows if no rows
@@ -279,10 +282,95 @@ banctable_base_impl <- function (base_name = "banc_meta",
     base
 }
 
+#' @export
+#' @rdname banctable_query
+banctable_move_to_bigdata <- function(table = "banc_meta",
+                                      base = "banc_meta",
+                                      url = "https://cloud.seatable.io/",
+                                      workspace_id = "57832",
+                                      token_name = "BANCTABLE_TOKEN",
+                                      where = "`region` = 'optic'",
+                                      invert = FALSE){
+
+  # get base
+  ac <- banctable_login(token_name=token_name)
+  base <- banctable_base_impl(table = table,
+                              base_name = base,
+                              url = url,
+                              workspace_id = workspace_id)
+  base_uuid <- base$dtable_uuid
+  token <- base$jwt_token
+
+  # Remove any protocol prefix if present
+  server <- gsub("^https?://", "", base$server_url)
+  server <- gsub("/$", "", server)
+
+  # Construct the URL
+  if(invert){
+    movement <- "unarchive"
+  }else{
+    movement <- "archive-view"
+  }
+  endpoint <- sprintf("https://%s/api-gateway/api/v2/dtables/%s/%s/", server, base_uuid, movement)
+
+  # Prepare the request body
+  body <- list(table_name = table)
+
+  # Add where clause if provided
+  if (!is.null(where)) {
+    body$where <- where
+  }
+
+  # Make the request
+  response <- httr2::request(endpoint) %>%
+    httr2::req_headers(
+      "Authorization" = sprintf("Bearer %s", token),
+      "Accept" = "application/json",
+      "Content-Type" = "application/json"
+    ) %>%
+    httr2::req_body_json(body) %>%
+    httr2::req_error(is_error = function(resp) FALSE) %>%  # This allows us to handle errors manually
+    httr2::req_perform()
+
+  # Check for successful response
+  if (httr2::resp_status(response) != 200) {
+      # Try to get error message from response body
+      error_msg <- tryCatch({
+        if (httr2::resp_content_type(response) == "application/json") {
+          error_content <- httr2::resp_body_json(response)
+        } else {
+          # If not JSON, get the raw text
+          httr2::resp_body_string(response)
+        }
+      }, error = function(e) {
+        "Could not parse error message"
+    })
+   stop(error_msg)
+  }
+
+  # Return the response
+  invisible()
+}
+
+# ## in python:
+# url = "https://cloud.seatable.io/api-gateway/api/v2/dtables/397da290-5aec-44dc-8a05-e2f58254d84a/archive-view/"
+# headers = {
+#   "accept": "application/json",
+#   "content-type": "application/json",
+#   "authorization": "Bearer MY_TOKEN"
+# }
+# body = {
+#   "table_name": "banc_meta",
+#   "where": "`cell_class` = 'glia'"
+# }
+# response = requests.post(url, headers=headers, json=body)
+# print(response.text)
+
 #' @export
 #' @rdname banctable_query
 banctable_append_rows <- function (df,
                                    table,
+                                   bigdata = FALSE,
                                    base = NULL,
                                    chunksize = 1000L,
                                    workspace_id = "57832",
@@ -306,7 +394,11 @@ banctable_append_rows <- function (df,
     return(all(oks))
   }
   pyl = fafbseg:::df2appendpayload(df)
-  res = base$batch_append_rows(table_name = table, rows_data = pyl)
+  if(bigdata){
+    res = base$batch_append_rows(table_name = table, rows_data = pyl)
+  }else{
+    res = base$big_data_insert_rows(table_name = table, rows_data = pyl)
+  }
   ok = isTRUE(all.equal(res[["inserted_row_count"]], nx))
   return(ok)
 }
@@ -438,7 +530,10 @@ banctable_updateids <- function(){
     dplyr::select(-pt_root_id,-pt_position)
 
   # Update root IDs directly where needed
-  bc.new <- banc_updateids(bc.new, root.column = "root_id", supervoxel.column = "supervoxel_id")
+  bc.new <- banc_updateids(bc.new,
+                           root.column = "root_id",
+                           supervoxel.column = "supervoxel_id",
+                           position.column = "position")
 
   # Make sure supervoxel and root position information that is missing, is filled in
   bc.new <- bc.new %>%
diff --git a/R/ids.R b/R/ids.R
index a3b505e..39f2371 100644
--- a/R/ids.R
+++ b/R/ids.R
@@ -187,7 +187,8 @@ banc_updateids <- function(x,
       if(sum(no.sp)){
         cat('determining missing supervoxel_ids ...\n')
         x[no.sp,][[supervoxel.column]] <- unname(pbapply::pbsapply(x[no.sp,][[position.column]], function(row){
-          tryCatch(banc_xyz2id(row,rawcoords = TRUE, root = FALSE, ...), error = function(e) NA)
+          tryCatch(quiet_function(banc_xyz2id(row,rawcoords = TRUE, root = FALSE, ...)),
+                   error = function(e) NA)
         }))
       }
     }
@@ -214,20 +215,23 @@ banc_updateids <- function(x,
       bad <- is.na(update)|update=="0"
       update <- update[!bad]
       if(length(update)) x[old,][[root.column]][!bad] <- update
-      old[old][!bad] <- TRUE
+      old[!bad] <- FALSE
     }
     old[is.na(old)] <- TRUE
 
     # update based on position
     if(any(c("position","pt_position")%in%colnames(x)) && sum(old)){
       cat('updating root_ids with a position ...\n')
-      update <- unname(pbapply::pbsapply(x[old,][[position.column]], banc_xyz2id, rawcoords = TRUE, root = TRUE, ...))
+      update <- unname(pbapply::pbsapply(x[old,][[position.column]], function(row){
+        tryCatch(quiet_function(banc_xyz2id(row,rawcoords = TRUE, root = TRUE, ...)),
+                 error = function(e) NA)
+      }))
       bad <- is.na(update)|update=="0"
       update <- update[!bad]
       if(length(update)) x[old,][[root.column]][!bad] <- update
       old[!bad] <- FALSE
     }
-    old[is.na(old)] <- FALSE
+    old[is.na(old)] <- TRUE
 
     # update based on root Ids
     if(root.column%in%colnames(x) && sum(old)){
diff --git a/man/banc_latestid.Rd b/man/banc_latestid.Rd
index efcb89d..fb38b71 100644
--- a/man/banc_latestid.Rd
+++ b/man/banc_latestid.Rd
@@ -17,6 +17,8 @@ banc_updateids(
   x,
   root.column = "root_id",
   supervoxel.column = "supervoxel_id",
+  position.column = "position",
+  serial = FALSE,
   ...
 )
 }
@@ -43,6 +45,10 @@ Else a vector of \code{BANC} root IDs.}
 \item{root.column}{when \code{x} is a \code{data.frame}, the \code{root_id} column you wish to update}
 
 \item{supervoxel.column}{when \code{x} is a \code{data.frame}, the \code{supervoxel_id} column you wish to use to update \code{root.column}}
+
+\item{position.column}{when \code{x} is a \code{data.frame}, the \code{position} column with xyz values you wish to use to update \code{supervoxel.column}}
+
+\item{serial}{if TRUE and x is a vector, calls \code{banc_updateids} on each ID in sequence to bufffer against connection failures. Slower.}
 }
 \description{
 Find the latest id for a banc root id
diff --git a/man/banctable_query.Rd b/man/banctable_query.Rd
index 4aedd26..b34ad2e 100644
--- a/man/banctable_query.Rd
+++ b/man/banctable_query.Rd
@@ -5,6 +5,7 @@
 \alias{banctable_set_token}
 \alias{banctable_login}
 \alias{banctable_update_rows}
+\alias{banctable_move_to_bigdata}
 \alias{banctable_append_rows}
 \title{Read and write to the seatable for draft BANC annotations}
 \usage{
@@ -42,9 +43,20 @@ banctable_update_rows(
   ...
 )
 
+banctable_move_to_bigdata(
+  table = "banc_meta",
+  base = "banc_meta",
+  url = "https://cloud.seatable.io/",
+  workspace_id = "57832",
+  token_name = "BANCTABLE_TOKEN",
+  where = "`region` = 'optic'",
+  invert = FALSE
+)
+
 banctable_append_rows(
   df,
   table,
+  bigdata = FALSE,
   base = NULL,
   chunksize = 1000L,
   workspace_id = "57832",
@@ -91,6 +103,12 @@ column that can identify each row in the remote table.}
 \item{chunksize}{To split large requests into smaller ones with max this many rows.}
 
 \item{...}{Additional arguments passed to pbsapply which might include cl=2 to specify a number of parallel jobs to run.}
+
+\item{where}{Optional SQL-like where clause to filter rows (default: NULL moves all rows)}
+
+\item{invert}{whether to send the specified rows (\code{where}) to big data storage (\code{FALSE}) or from storage to the 'normal' table (\code{FALSE}.)}
+
+\item{bigdata}{logical, if \code{TRUE} new rows are added to the bigdata archive rather than the 'normal' seatable.}
 }
 \value{
 a \code{data.frame} of results. There should be 0 rows if no rows