see forum and read forum permissions

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I would like to all users to be able to see the categories and forums inside of categories. However I only want to grant read forum permissions to certain groups for certain forums.

It appears that to allow users to see forums (granted with "can see forum") they also have to have "can read forum" permission.

Is there a way to allow users to see forums in a forum list without allowing them to also read the forums?