3D Ansicht in der Navigation in Cruiser 5 / 3D view in the navigation in Cruiser 5 /

[ToToGSARider]

Beitrag für Stand der Dinge und Aktualisierung in Cruiser 5 / Contribution to the state of affairs and update in Cruiser 5

[ToToGSARider]

ToToGSARider
7 hours ago
Good morning, there has been huge progress in the Cruiser again. How are you getting on with reintroducing 3D and tilting the navigation? Have you already found a solution to the problem? Would it be possible to open a separate article for this topic that you can follow so that you don't always have to write in a general article?

Guten Morgen, es gibt ja wieder riesige Fortschritte im Cruiser. Wie kommt ihr den voran das Thema 3D bzw. das kippen der Navigation wieder einzubauen. Hat man schon Lösungsansätze für das Problem gefunden? Könnte man evtl. für das Thema einen separaten Artikel aufmachen dem man folgen kann, damit man nicht immer in einen allgemeinen Artikel schreiben muss?

@devemux86
devemux86
7 hours ago
Maintainer
Author
No, there is no such plan, as it belongs to Mapsforge map library.
If someone implements it, then I can include it in Cruiser as well.

@ToToGSARider
ToToGSARider
6 hours ago
Can't you make a request for Mapsforge? I'm not as technically familiar with it as you are, as I'm only a user. I wouldn't even know where to write, let alone how to describe it.
What does the OsmAnd software use for map material? Is 3D fully available and have I ever read about hillshading in the app?
As I said, I'm just a user. As already suggested, I don't want to keep asking in the general posts, but would find a separate post useful, which you can then simply keep an eye on. I know that it's not so great for you either if I keep asking in the posts.

Könnt ihr nicht eine Anfrage nach Mapsforge stellen? Ich kenne mich da technisch nicht so aus wie Ihr, da ich nun einmal nur Anwender bin. Ich wüßte nicht einmal wo ich hinschreiben muß und schon gar nicht, wie ich das beschreiben soll.
Was nutzt den die Software OsmAnd für Kartenmaterial? Da ist 3D komplett verfügbar und Hillshading habe ich da auch schon einmal in der App gelesen?
Wie gesagt, ich bin nur Anwender. Wie auch schon vorgeschlagen, möchte ich nicht ständig in den allgemeinen Beiträgen nachfragen, sondern fände einen getrennten Beitrag sinnvoll, den man dann einfach im Auge behalten kann. Ich weiss, dass es für euch ja auch nicht so toll ist, wenn ich immer wieder in die Beiträge Frage.

@devemux86
devemux86
6 hours ago
Maintainer
Author
I am the main developer of the Mapsforge map library.
It's an open source library, everyone can write and contribute new features. 🙂
Like the new #612 (comment).

You can create and monitor a new thread here to request a new feature.

[ToToGSARider]

@devemux86

What I don't quite understand is, if you are the developer of Mapsforge, why can't you put 3D back in?

was ich jetzt nicht ganz erstehe, wenn du der Entwickler von Mapsforge bist, warum kannst du dann 3D nicht wieder einbauen?

[devemux86]

@ToToGSARider Thanks for the suggestion.

This depends on the map library that currently does not have 3D view.
If someone implements it, then I can include it in Cruiser as well.

[DolomitesTom]

Android 15 seems to be a pipe-dream anyway, causing massive problems to the point of rendering a smartphone unusable. Other manufacturers will probably skip the update and go straight for Android 16. Maybe Open GL will work flawlessly there again. By then, perhaps someone will have fixed the specific problems of Open GL. I've never had any problems with it myself.
How flexible is Cruiser when it comes to replacing the map engine with Open GL again in future?

[ToToGSARider]

Couldn't you get in touch with the programmer of OsmAnd here in Github? OsmAnd says something about Open GL in the settings. In return Cruiser could support the programmers of OsmAnd with an import of Kurviger files. Then both companies would have closed gaps in their system again. Just a thought from a simple user.

Könnte man nicht mit dem Programmierer von OsmAnd in Kontakt treten Hier in Github? Bei OsmAnd ist irgend etwas von Open GL zu lesen bei den Einstellungen. Im Gegenzug könnte doch Cruiser die Programmierer von OsmAnd unterstützen mit einem Import von Kurviger Dateien. Dann hätten beide Unternehmen wieder Lücken geschlossen in Ihrem System. Nur mal so ein Gedanke von einem einfachen Anwender.

[0709wiwiwi]

I am not sure but I think osmand uses opengl which was largely maintained by devemux86. Osmand is apparently just not in such a hurry to stop offering opengl already. I think the osmand dev's might be able to contribute here then as well.
mapsforge/vtm#1125

[devemux86]

Vulkan will replace OpenGL on Android. From 2026, new devices will only support OpenGL through a translation layer.

If you search the issues of map apps that use OpenGL, you will see that they all have rendering problems.
This is why many users still prefer version 1 of the OsmAnd map rendering engine.

OsmAnd all these years is an amazing app with map rendering engine version 1.

Locus until recently didn't have map rotation until I implemented it in Mapsforge:

• Allow for free rotation of the map mapsforge/mapsforge#7 (comment)

• https://www.locusmap.app/new-locus-map-4-26-dynamic-offline-lomap-rotation-and-other-features-not-only-for-cyclists/

[ToToGSARider]

I have the displayed setting on my Samsung S24+ and have had a look at the view on my phone and in Android Auto. I bought OsmAnd back then in a promotion before I bought the K1, as they didn't have 3D back then, only 2D. 3D was the reason for me to go for K1 and then K2 and then Cruiser.
As I said, I'm just a user and have no idea about programming and all the technical terms that are used here.

Ich habe die angezeigte Einstellung auf meinem Samsung S24+ und habe die Ansicht am Handy und in Android Auto mal angeschaut. Ich habe mir OsmAnd damals in einer Aktion gekauft, bevor ich mir die K1 gekauft habe, da sie damals kein 3D sondern nur 2D hatten. 3D war ja für mich der Grund auf K1 bzw. dann auch K2 und dann auf Cruiser zu gehen.
Wie gesagt, bin nur Anwender und habe von programmieren und den ganzen Fachbegriffen die hier so genutzt werden keine Ahnung.

[ToToGSARider]

A very simple question: 3D was possible in Cruiser 4.
Couldn't you just leave it up to the user, as with OsmAnd, to decide whether he wants to use the map material as in Cruiser 4 and the high contrast with 3D or the new map material without 3D and therefore nicely colored? Then theoretically all the problems would be solved, wouldn't they?

Mal eine ganz einfache Frage: in Cruiser 4 war ja 3D möglich.
Könnte man nicht wie bei OsmAnd dem Anwender einfach die Entscheidung überlassen ob er das Kartenmaterial nutzen möchte wie in Cruiser 4 und dem hohen Kontrast mit 3D oder dann eben das neue Kartenmaterial ohne 3D und dafür schön bunt? Dann sind doch theoretisch alle Probleme behoben, oder ?

[DolomitesTom]

I think that's a very good idea. Why not run on two tracks? Android 16 has already been announced for June next year. Perhaps OpenGL will run there without any problems. Many people don't use their main phone for motorcycle navigation anyway, which won't make the leap to Android 15. Under Android 14 or lower, you don't have any problems with OpenGL at all. Would it be a lot of effort to introduce such an option to let the user choose which technology they want to use?

[ToToGSARider]

Theoretically, a current cell phone, like my Samsung S24+, should not have any problems with the technical requirements under Android 15. As I said, OsmAnd runs completely without problems with 3D. I really think you should give it a try.

Theoretisch sollte ja ein aktuelles Handy, wie mein Samsung S24+, ja auch keine Probleme bekommen mit den technischen Voraussetzungen unter Android 15. Wie gesagt, OsmAnd läuft bei mir komplett ohne Probleme mit 3D. Ich denke wirklich, dass man es echt probieren sollte.