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Which is - depending on how much other panels are displayed in which order and what the current light conditions are - very hard to recognize. Therefore I did not activate it before.
I would LOVE to have this displayed "all the time" instead of the small panel on the right. Is this possible??? Originally posted by @bios4 in #441 (reply in thread). |
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@bios4 we could think about a different display of speed limits. Perhaps using different colors in the top-center circle?
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No, please NO - I would urge to display it the VERY SAME way as is looks like in real life (and on the recent screenshots), means with the red border and the black value! I am sure it would look weird with a different color to what is known and what road users all over the world (at least Europe 😁) are used to...
When one is above the limit threshold, you could start to flash it with inverted colors - white border/value on red ground. |
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@bios4 we need to somehow differentiate the display from the warning. Animated texts and flashing colors are not suitable for quick glances while driving or for battery and performance. |
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What about my addition with inverted colors ^^ (but then without the flashing)? 
Quick & dirty suggestions with Paint.NET ^^ 😁 |
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Just for more ideas here my current solution with the overlayed app "Tempo Master": |
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👍 - looks almost identical to what I would love to have in Cruiser (w/o external/additional app)... How is the speed limit displayed when you are driving above the limit? |
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@WolfgangZ42 thanks we need more ideas. 👍 Your image displays the current speed limit (in red circle). |
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No - it doesn't change the display. But it gives a "beep" every 10 seconds you are over the limit. It's adjustable in various ways. |
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I have now made a small lap: I have been waiting for the speed display for a long time. Now I have noticed that it takes a long time for the allowed speed to be displayed correctly. Most of the time I am out of a zone with a speed limit until the display changes. There is usually a delay of 5-30 seconds. |
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You should definitely NOT(!!!) display the "last known max. speed of A -> B" segment! If the data you rely on does not contain the required information, better display nothing than a wrong value... |
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That's what Cruiser is doing now. 🙂 |
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...which is perfectly fine from my POV! 👍 |
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I agree and would have replied the same: I know of several locations nearby that are 50 or 60mph roads but drop to a 40mph for barely a mile because there is a small cluster of homes along the route. There's also a missed 30-60mph change at another location - it's not perfect data, but at least the current method is fairly easy to update and reflected in near real-time. I would say that a blank display is best until valid data is available. For now, we'll have to rely on those round metal panels stuck on metal sticks by the side of the road 😄 |
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If you keep the max speed in my region based only on the completely unreliable data fitted in open street maps Belgium might one day manage to reduce its immense national debt, The only thing that still can be done here very fast is the constant changing of the speed limits. Most osm contributors don't so update all this silly changes anymore. Welcome, my country is sure counting on your contributions too. Soon even the wheelchair users will be probably be moving too fast. |
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In your list I see that the speeds are correct. I noticed that on the street too. But with a strong delay. That means that I am out of a 50kmh zone with a length of 500m until 50kmh is displayed. Then goes on again 500m. Everything recognized, but only too late. Up to 1 time, there were almost 1km of offset in a piece of forest. |
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@umpfmpf there are some more tags that I need to add in Cruiser reader of BRouter data, coming in next update. |
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nothing to comment... thank god i'm not interested in speed limits... I don't see them at all :-)... congenital red-white blindness |
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Although I have immense reservations about the (local) reliability of the osm max speed data, there is still the problem of what to show when a street is divided into several osm edited sections whereby the speed indications are too often missing. |
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I have now simulated the route and then started driving it. In the simulation, exact is shown the same as on the street. However, the speed displayed is still very different from reality. |
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It took 2 days, but now the new speed limits have been adopted. |
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@umpfmpf thanks again for the report and the tests! 👍 |
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I would not trust the business. |
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@0709wiwiwi |
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Let's not forget that we almost lost OpenAndroMaps, the story is here: Fortunately Christian and the other members of OpenAndroMaps continue their excellent work: |
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The availability of speed-limit data on roads is varied to say the least. As part of my efforts to "port" my map theme into BaseCamp, I have added the speed-limit to the mouse-hover (tool-tip) which very easily lets me see where road segments are missing speed data. Spoiler-alert : It's quite a lot, at least in the UK.
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It doesn't matter (to the average user) where the data comes from, so long as it's reliable and fairly up-to-date. I believe CoPilot (when I subscribed to it) used a 3rd-party dataset (there were lots of copyright credits on the "About" screen) and updated every few months. If BRouter is using the OSM "maxspeed" as a source, then there will always be gaps - and I've found that the gaps are literally that: A segment within a long road is missing a value, or a particular segment passes a residential area and the lower speed-limit has not been updated. That's nobody's fault and everybody's fault 😆 Cruiser could, unfairly, be blamed for being unreliable in that regard if a user is in an area that is not of interest to editors of OSM. The data needs to be there, if only for route duration calculation - you can't rely on road-types as always having specific speed-limits but I accept there will be a need to average-out the calculations because there is no value to work with. It's never going to be perfect, but I'm at least wiser as to the "hows" and "whys" with my under-the-hood investigations! |
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There is a URL to control the OSM settings of maxspeed: - don't know if it works for Northern Ireland ... in Germany its helpful to identify gaps: 
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@WolfgangZ42 Thanks for that example - that website is quite useful! Obviously it's in km but I was able to "nose around". @0709wiwiwi Lower speed limits are certainly welcome in built-up areas but most of these silly limits are a result of a) residents campaigning and/or b) incident statistics. In an ideal world, we'd drive according to the conditions of the road within the (well sign-posted) limits and be able to stop in the distance we can see to be clear on our side of the road 👮 For everything else, Denali make good after-market horns 🎺 You were only speeding a little bit? That's OK, the 5yr-old you hit is only a little bit dead. |
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New panel to display the speed limit:
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The new panel to display the speed limit is available in Cruiser 5.1.0-b11. |
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where do I now find the threshold where I set that a warning should only appear when I am 40 km/h above? |
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It is still in "Settings | Navigation | Advanced | Speed limit tolerance". |
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Another improvement is that current speed also changes color when the speed limit is exceeded. I updated the screenshots above. |
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Should I be able to see this on a simulated route calculated with internal BRouter? |
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@MotoUKRider Speed limit will also be displayed in simulation in the next update. |
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The panel with
!at top right (image 1) appears all the time displaying the current speed limit.The panel option is in navigation display settings (image 2).
The warning at top center appears when go above the speed limit by the selected threshold.
The threshold option is in navigation advanced settings (image 3).
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