chairman speeches do not contain who attribute

[matyaskopp]

The chairman's speeches do not refer to a person that speaks:

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/ParlaMint.sample/ParlaMint-ES_2015-01-20-CD150120.xml

Lines 105 to 108 in 7d84125

	<u xml:id="ParlaMint-ES_2015-01-20-CD150120.u1" ana="#chair">
	<seg xml:id="ParlaMint-ES_2015-01-20-CD150120.u1.1">Se abre la sesión.</seg>
	<seg xml:id="ParlaMint-ES_2015-01-20-CD150120.u1.2">Convalidación o derogación del Real Decreto-ley 15/2014, de 19 de diciembre, de modificación del Régimen Económico y Fiscal de Canarias. Para presentar el real decreto-ley, tiene la palabra en nombre del Gobierno el ministro de Hacienda y Administraciones Públicas.</seg>
	</u>

the information is present in the source:

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/CD.sample/CD150120.xml

Line 52 in 7d84125

<chair who="JESÚS POSADA MORENO">

cd2parmamint.xsl needs to be improved:

• adding chairman in who attribute and also in a listPerson in temporary component files

parlamint2root.xsl needs changes too:

• the chairing person does not contain party affiliation in the source, but in other meetings, he/she can be presented as a regular deputy (then the information is present)

reported here: clarin-eric/ParlaMint#696 (comment)

[rdelibanoc]

@matyaskopp we need confirmation of this. How do we proceed to fix this error, do we change it in the source, or shall we change it in the Tei xml. I think we should change it in the source, does this mean we run the markup and annotation process from scratch.

[matyaskopp]

• We don't want to change the source CD files, it is defined in cd.dtd file and no changes are allowed (@calzada)
• We don't want to change it manually in TEI files - they are automatically generated, so the manual changes will be destroyed with the next update

We want to change the scripts, as I described in the issue.

• if there is not enough information in CD files, then another additional source can be added

You can start with data that is present in CD format:

• parse name
• generate a person id (in the same way other ids are generated)
• create a <person> element that contains only person/@xml:id and person/persName(+ child nodes)

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side note: The general idea of adding new sources that I used in adding government members is

• download data. eg:

  PARLAMINT-ES-MC/Makefile

  Lines 88 to 95 in be3e2be

  	download: data-wiki
  	data-wiki:
  	mkdir data-wiki || :
  	wget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_government_of_Pedro_S%C3%A1nchez -O data-wiki/gov-2020-01-13.htm
  	wget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_government_of_Pedro_S%C3%A1nchez -O data-wiki/gov-2018-06-07.htm
  	wget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_government_of_Mariano_Rajoy -O data-wiki/gov-2016-11-04.htm
  	wget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_government_of_Mariano_Rajoy -O data-wiki/gov-2011-12-21.htm

• add them to the git repository (in case someone changes the source)
• process/use the data:

  PARLAMINT-ES-MC/Makefile

  Lines 97 to 98 in be3e2be

  	data-gov-wiki2tei:
  	perl bin/gov-wiki2tei.pl data-wiki/gov-listPerson.xml data-wiki/gov-????-??-??.htm

[rdelibanoc]

As you can see from the snapshot, in the original files for the "chair" we have the POST (e.g. Presidente) but we do not have the name.

Can we make do without this information (pliz)?

[matyaskopp]

the name is in the <chair> element and is the same for the whole meeting I guess:

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/CD.sample/CD150120.xml

Line 52 in 7d84125

<chair who="JESÚS POSADA MORENO">

[calzada]

Yes but we cannot acceso to the name since our transcripts only soy MR PRESIDENT without further details. Best Mc El mar, 18 jul 2023, 14:17, Matyáš Kopp ***@***.***> escribió:

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the name is in the <chair> element and is the same for the whole meeting I guess: https://github.com/calzada/PARLAMINT-ES-MC/blob/7d8412564b9686b396376d33f5cd9befb009f3c4/CD.sample/CD150120.xml#L52 — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#24 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA2AREQWA7M27O4VXRKJH7LXQZ5G3ANCNFSM6AAAAAA2IPDLP4> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[matyaskopp]

so I have no idea what

<chair who="JESÚS POSADA MORENO"> 

means in CD files. According to wikipedia, Jesús Posada was a chairman...

[calzada]

Yes but he start the sesión as chairman and the chair may change in the middle of it. This is why it is not reliable. We could easily add this person as chair but it May turn out the chair is not always him. Best Mc El mar, 18 jul 2023, 17:52, Matyáš Kopp ***@***.***> escribió:

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so I have no idea what <chair who="JESÚS POSADA MORENO"> means in CD files. According to wikipedia, Jesús Posada was a chairman... — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#24 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA2AREQ5I5WSDLTZ42FXIFLXQ2WLJANCNFSM6AAAAAA2IPDLP4> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[matyaskopp]

element body allows multiple chair elements

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/CD.sample/cd.dtd

Line 26 in be3e2be

<!ELEMENT body (chair | omit)+>

so I expected that if the speaker change happened, there would be a new chair element.

I have checked your source CD files, and only one chair element exists. So you are claiming there that there is no chairman change. If we use CD files as a source, it is probably better to propagate this error (if it is an error, there are no chairman changes).

If there is no chairman change in source pdf(?) files, then you should expect that there was no chairman change in the chamber of deputies.

[TomazErjavec]

Hi! the way it was in 2.1 is to have one chair per session, this is the condition:

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/bin/cd2parmamint.xsl

Line 431 in be3e2be

<xsl:when test="matches(speaker/post, '^\s*(VICE)?PRESIDENT[AE]\s*$', 'i')">chair</xsl:when>

[calzada]

Dear Matyas, This dtd applies to all our working parliaments (CD, EP, HC). But since there are divergencies between and among parliaments, the dtd must accommodate for all of them. Best, mc El mar, 18 jul 2023 a las 19:29, Matyáš Kopp ***@***.***>) escribió:

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element body allows multiple chair elements https://github.com/calzada/PARLAMINT-ES-MC/blob/be3e2be3cf70619c4cd8513b90b19df4d54db87d/CD.sample/cd.dtd#L26 so I expected that if the speaker change happened, there would be a new chair element. I have checked your source CD files, and only one chair element exists. So you are claiming there that there is no chairman change. If we use CD files as a source, it is probably better to propagate this error (if it is an error, there are no chairman changes). If there is no chairman change in source pdf(?) files, then you should expect that there was no chairman change in the chamber of deputies. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#24 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA2ARERM65YBYIU7CFBAPP3XQ3BZHANCNFSM6AAAAAA2IPDLP4> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[matyaskopp]

Can you give me a sample of chairman changes? I have found only a few, where PRESIDENTA changes to PRESIDENTE, but it looks more like a typo in the source (wrong gender).
eg https://github.com/calzada/PARLAMINT-ES-MC/blob/be3e2be3cf70619c4cd8513b90b19df4d54db87d/CD/CD230214.xml
there are these chairs:

53  PRESIDENTA,UNKNOWN
1   PRESIDENTE,UNKNOWN
16  VICEPRESIDENTA,Elizo Serrano, María Gloria
13  VICEPRESIDENTA,Pastor Julián, Ana María
12  VICEPRESIDENTE,Rodríguez Gómez de Celis, Alfonso

There is only one occurrence of PRESIDENTE, so we can probably say it is a typo and set MERITXELL BATET LAMAÑA

PARLAMINT-ES-MC/CD/CD230214.xml

Line 69 in be3e2be

<chair who="MERITXELL BATET LAMAÑA">

as chair.
But I can be wrong - the idea is to record what is in the transcriptions - we can say it is truth...

[calzada]

It is not a typo. It is a situation where the chair changes. Regarding VICEPRESIDENTS it is not quite sure the take the chair, although they may have taken it. Best mc El mié, 19 jul 2023 a las 12:17, Matyáš Kopp ***@***.***>) escribió:

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Can you give me a sample of chairman changes? I have found only a few, where PRESIDENTA changes to PRESIDENTE, but it looks more like a typo in the source (wrong gender). eg https://github.com/calzada/PARLAMINT-ES-MC/blob/be3e2be3cf70619c4cd8513b90b19df4d54db87d/CD/CD230214.xml there are these chairs: 53 PRESIDENTA,UNKNOWN 1 PRESIDENTE,UNKNOWN 16 VICEPRESIDENTA,Elizo Serrano, María Gloria 13 VICEPRESIDENTA,Pastor Julián, Ana María There is only one occurrence of PRESIDENTE, so we can probably say it is a typo and set MERITXELL BATET LAMAÑA https://github.com/calzada/PARLAMINT-ES-MC/blob/be3e2be3cf70619c4cd8513b90b19df4d54db87d/CD/CD230214.xml#L69 as chair. But I can be wrong - the idea is to record what is in the transcriptions - we can say it is truth... — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#24 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AA2AREQ7257NPCYSVSVAHE3XQ6X5JANCNFSM6AAAAAA2IPDLP4> . You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[calzada]

@matyaskopp
You could equally use "UNKNOWN". This is what we did at ECPC (our research group.