Odd Outcome after REW #3
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as discussed over YT, i've used the latest version on the same base original measurement, please find below the log I will upload the profile and report back with details |
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Reporting back with the test for the above
I've re-run the 1.2 version on the same original measurements and here is the logfile: For the new profile created with 1.2 i guess something might be wrong with the Optimal crossover frequency calculations as some speakers are clearly not to 40hz/60hz ( the Sony SS-B1000 or the Magnat's ). I will upload the profile today, and report back |
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Did you check your 'final' responses on the target curve in REW? If you see
that speaker responses start falling off earlier than indicated by the
logs, let me know but it's highly unlikely.
Your sub time alignment is perfect and you can lower the xo frequencies
from 80Hz to measured levels if you wish so since you use your system for
stereo listening. The phase delays indicated at the xo levels are all
within 6ms which is also very good. Remember Audyssey should be at
reference setting and dynamic eq / volume needs to be off. The bass is
adjusted to be balanced at 75dB and may be increased by sub volume setting
on the go.
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Reporting back with the test for the above
- sound clarity is very nice
- front speakers are lacking depth/dynamics, they sound very flat. the
sound changes if DynamicEQ is enabled, which i guess is normal.
- woofer is a bit absent and i had to adjust the gain with +5db the
outcome response was a bit odd. it seem to be too much in some cases while
in others it needs more gain. I've left the Parametric EQ disabled in the
app.
- the above feedback is for music in stereo (2.0) and stereo + sub
(2.1) with YT as source, Spotify Premium, and local flac files by having a
baseline with the same songs on the same listening position at the same
volume
I've re-run the 1.2 version on the same original measurements and here is
the logfile:
7:09:37 AM [INFO] Based on your AVR model - Denon AVR-X1700H, speed of
sound has been set to 300.0 m/s for all distance calculations.
7:09:37 AM [WARNING] - if you believe this setting is not correct for your
receiver model, please notify OCA!
7:09:37 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:09:37 AM [LOG] Applying Target Curve located @
/home/vlad/Downloads/DrTooleTargetCurve.txt
7:09:37 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:09:37 AM [INFO] Optimization process started...
7:09:37 AM [LOG] Transposing measurements from '8' different microphone
positions to the primary listening position...
7:09:42 AM [INFO] Done!
7:09:42 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:09:42 AM [INFO] Cleaning up processed measurements...
7:09:57 AM [LOG] Done!
7:09:57 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:09:57 AM [LOG] Calculating precise speaker volume levels...
7:09:57 AM [LOG] Co: 75.83535478115081 dB
7:09:58 AM [LOG] FHLo: 71.88574948310851 dB
7:09:58 AM [LOG] FHRo: 68.89492106437683 dB
7:09:59 AM [LOG] FLo: 70.5207502603531 dB
7:09:59 AM [LOG] FRo: 71.3841578722 dB
7:10:00 AM [LOG] SLAo: 75.19895527362823 dB
7:10:00 AM [LOG] SRAo: 74.94360163211822 dB
7:10:00 AM [INFO] Optimized target volume level for all speakers:
72.66621290956225 dB
7:10:00 AM [INFO] Total number of speakers averaged (excludes subwoofer): 7
7:10:00 AM [LOG] Finalized speaker volume settings:
7:10:00 AM [LOG] C: -3.0 ; with -0.16914187158856464 dB filter compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] FHL: 1.0 ; with -0.21953657354626444 dB filter
compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] FHR: 4.0 ; with -0.2287081548145835 dB filter compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] FL: 2.0 ; with 0.14546264920915064 dB filter compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] FR: 1.5 ; with -0.21794496263775898 dB filter compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] SLA: -2.5 ; with -0.03274236406598163 dB filter
compensation
7:10:00 AM [LOG] SRA: -2.5 ; with 0.22261127744403097 dB filter
compensation
7:10:00 AM [INFO] Optimizing subwoofer volume adjustment...
7:10:01 AM [LOG] SW1: -5.0 dB ; with -0.21999999999999975 dB filter
compensation
7:10:01 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:01 AM [INFO] Deriving optimal speaker distances with advanced
cross-correlation analysis...
7:10:02 AM [LOG] C: 3.13m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] FHL: 4.02m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] FHR: 3.95m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] FL: 3.42m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] FR: 3.67m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] SLA: 2.48m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] SRA: 2.39m
7:10:02 AM [LOG] SW1: 5.01m
7:10:02 AM [INFO] Subwoofer distance is 'optimally' set @ 5.01m and is
'safely' within the AV Receiver's speaker spacing limits.
7:10:02 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:02 AM [INFO] Crafting custom room correction filters...
7:10:05 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker C is completed.
7:10:09 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FHL is completed.
7:10:13 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FHR is completed.
7:10:17 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FL is completed.
7:10:21 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker FR is completed.
7:10:25 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SLA is completed.
7:10:29 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SRA is completed.
7:10:33 AM [LOG] Optimal filter generation for speaker SW1 is completed.
7:10:34 AM [LOG] Done!
7:10:34 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:34 AM [INFO] Pinpointing crossover frequencies for each speaker...
7:10:34 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker C: 56.76270Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 60Hz
7:10:34 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: 98.63 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
4.57 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker FHL: 46.87501Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 40Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: 74.19 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
5.15 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker FHR: 76.90431Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 80Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: 144.57 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
5.02 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker FL: 33.32520Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 40Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: 12.34 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
0.86 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker FR: 31.86036Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 40Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: 55.35 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
3.84 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker SLA: 62.25587Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 60Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: -123.72 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
-5.73 ms
7:10:35 AM [LOG] Optimal crossover frequency for speaker SRA: 47.60743Hz,
closest receiver XO freq: 40Hz
7:10:35 AM [LOG] - phase mismatch @ XO: -111.70 degrees, phase delay @ XO:
-7.76 ms
7:10:36 AM [LOG] Subwoofer measures flat down to 22.70508Hz!
7:10:36 AM [INFO] Done!
7:10:36 AM [INFO] All crossovers below 80Hz were moved up to 80Hz to
decrease workloads on the amp / speaker drivers and to increase clarity.
7:10:36 AM [INFO] Speaker pairs with different crossover frequencies will
be synched at the 'lower frequency' of the two inside the AV Receiver.
7:10:36 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:36 AM [INFO] Uploading all optimization adjustments into the final
calibration file...
7:10:38 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:38 AM [LOG] 'AUDYSSEY ONE' optimization has been completed with
SUCCESS in 60.787 seconds!
7:10:38 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:38 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:38 AM [INFO] When prompted, save the .ady file to your PC and send it
'as is' to your MultEQ Editor app.
7:10:38 AM [INFO] Next, transfer it 'as is' from the app to your AV
receiver as you normally would.
7:10:38 AM [INFO] The Editor app graphs will no longer represent final
speaker responses due to the special filtering technique implemented.
7:10:38 AM [INFO] Speaker responses with 'final' indices under REW / All
SPL tab are your expected post-calibration responses.
7:10:38 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:38 AM [INFO] YouTube video (https://youtu.be/iU1ZBsru76M) contains a
download link for several Dolby Atmos & DTS-X test clips
7:10:38 AM [INFO] compatible for playback via a USB key on your Blu-ray
player for testing.
7:10:38 AM [INFO]
************************************************************************************************************************
7:10:38 AM [INFO] Enjoy your new sound!
For the new profile created with 1.2 i guess something might be wrong with
the Optimal crossover frequency calculations as some speakers are clearly
not to 40hz/60hz ( the Sony SS-B1000 or the Magnat's ).
I will upload the profile today, and report back
Thank you
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Thanks for updating,
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Hardware used :
AVR - Denon X1700H
FR FL - KEF 950
Center - KEF Q250C
Top Front - Magnat Monitor Supreme 102
Surround - Sony SS-B1000
SW - SVS SB-1000Pro
The log:
7:12:04 PM [INFO] Speed of sound has been automatically set to 300.0 m/s for your AV Receiver model: Denon AVR-X1700H
7:12:04 PM [WARNING] (If you think this setting is incorrect, please notify OCA!)
7:12:04 PM [LOG] Applying Target Curve located @ /home/vlad/Downloads/DrTooleTargetCurve(1).txt
7:12:04 PM [INFO] Optimization process started...
7:12:04 PM [LOG] Transposing measurements from 8 different microphone positions to the primary listening position...
7:12:10 PM [INFO] Done!
7:12:10 PM [INFO] Cleaning up processed measurements...
7:12:29 PM [LOG] Done!
7:12:29 PM [LOG] Calculating precise speaker volume levels...
7:12:30 PM [LOG] Co: 75.83535478115081 dB
7:12:30 PM [LOG] FHLo: 71.88574948310851 dB
7:12:31 PM [LOG] FHRo: 68.89492106437683 dB
7:12:31 PM [LOG] FLo: 70.5207502603531 dB
7:12:32 PM [LOG] FRo: 71.3841578722 dB
7:12:32 PM [LOG] SLAo: 75.19895527362823 dB
7:12:33 PM [LOG] SRAo: 74.94360163211822 dB
7:12:33 PM [INFO] Optimized target volume level: 72.66621290956225 dB
7:12:33 PM [INFO] Total number of speakers averaged (excludes subwoofer): 7
7:12:33 PM [LOG] Finalized speaker volume settings:
7:12:33 PM [LOG] C: -3.0 ; with -0.16914187158856464 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] FHL: 1.0 ; with -0.21953657354626444 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] FHR: 4.0 ; with -0.2287081548145835 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] FL: 2.0 ; with 0.14546264920915064 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] FR: 1.5 ; with -0.21794496263775898 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] SLA: -2.5 ; with -0.03274236406598163 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [LOG] SRA: -2.5 ; with 0.22261127744403097 dB filter compensation
7:12:33 PM [INFO] Optimizing subwoofer volume adjustment...
7:12:34 PM [LOG] SW1: -5.5 dB ; with -0.040000000000000036 dB filter compensation
7:12:34 PM [INFO] Deriving optimal speaker distances through cross-correlation analysis...
7:12:35 PM [LOG] C: 3.13m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] FHL: 4.02m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] FHR: 3.95m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] FL: 3.42m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] FR: 3.67m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] SLA: 2.48m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] SRA: 2.39m
7:12:35 PM [LOG] SW1: 5.01m
7:12:35 PM [INFO] Subwoofer distance is 'optimally' set @ 5.01m and is within the AV Receiver's speaker spacing limits.
7:12:35 PM [INFO] Crafting custom room correction filters...
7:12:58 PM [LOG] Done!
7:12:58 PM [INFO] Pinpointing optimal crossover frequencies...
7:12:58 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for C is set @ 40Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for FHL is set @ 40Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for FHR is set @ 60Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for FL is set @ 200Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for FR is set @ FULL RANGE <= 20Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for SLA is set @ 60Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Crossover frequency for SRA is set @ 40Hz
7:12:59 PM [INFO] Consolidating all optimal adjustments into the final calibration file...
7:13:02 PM [LOG] 'Audyssey One' optimization is completed with SUCCESS!
7:13:02 PM [INFO] When prompted, save the .ady file to your PC and send it to your MultEQ Editor app.
7:13:02 PM [INFO] Then transfer it 'as is' from the app to your AV receiver.
7:13:02 PM [INFO] The app will not show the correct final responses of the speakers.
7:13:02 PM [INFO] You can see real final speaker responses under REW / 'All SPL' tab - the ones with 'final' indices.
7:13:02 PM [INFO] The YouTube video description contains a download link for several Dolby Atmos & DTS-X test clips
7:13:02 PM [INFO] compatible for playback via a USB key on your Blu-ray player.
7:13:02 PM [INFO] ENJOY!
The outcome sound is lacking a lot of things, i do not know if this is something that i did wrong, or if there's something wrong with original calibration or with REW's.
KEF Optimized : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cA6ayE8GcsoIiJkAt1DSKuaK-MRgBUId/view?usp=sharing
KEF Ori : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KE7Q0-63QYv-bJ4cgoU3yfXDkZYfaEjC/view?usp=drive_link
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